Re: starting to build a window/to hang not install

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: : : Hi JO, : : : I have to get some basic info here. : : : First, from your question I can't tell if this is a description of a technique that you have tried before and had difficulties or just something you are going to try for the first time. If you have had difficulties let me know what the symptoms of the problem are. : : : Second, the description of how you are dealing with the border cames is unclear. First you need to decide what size came you are using around the panel. I'd recommend either a 3/8" or 1/2" came. Next, on your cartoon (layout drawing) you need to show this came. You need a line that represents the size of the entire panel to the outer edge of the border cames, another line that represents the heart of the border cames and although not required, I always add a line to represent the inside edge of the border cames. This is the edge of the visible glass. Any design that happens beyond this point is unseen. Helps make sure that things like the tips of leaves aren't cut off by accident. : : : I notice that you say the panel is to hang. If you plan to hang the panel it will need some type of frame that is stronger than the outside lead to hang from, preferably a wooden frame. Alternately, you could use a 1/2" brass came instead of a lead border came and hang the panel from it, but I'd still feel better with it in wood. : : : Gary D : : Explain what the heart of the border came is? What I'm seeing in this feeble little head of mine is that when I go and lay the cartoon out, I can also lay a piece of came so that it just touches the border of the pattern, but that I would extend my lines to the outside edge of the came...So, if I want to make a 18 x 24 piece, then it would actually meansure maybe 18 3/8 lets say, because I've measured over to the outside edge of the came??? People ask, why don't you take classes where you live, and I tell them that I did and that the instructor actually said that he wished he had not started this class because he doesn't feel he has the patience anymore..that's a nice thing to say to a class of people on their third day huh? So really didn't feel his interest was in the people or the class, just the money he would make off of us..so, here I am, in love with a hobby and trying like hel....lo to figure out the starting process, because I would then love to try copper foil..Ok, sorry for that little blast of why I ask some of the questions I do, but there you have it in a nutshell...sorta..Anyway, I hope you can help, because I really want to make that flamingo pattern on page 19 of tropical teasers, the "way cool" flamingo.... : : Thanks Gary. : Well Jo, : The heart of a came it the thing in the middle that separates the glass you plug into one side from the glass you put in the other side. It is also the piece that connects the top leaf of a came to the bottom leaf. The heart of the came is the part you never see again once you use the came in a panel. : There are different ways to look at measuring and dealing with dimensions, but I think you are getting the idea. A lot depends on how important the finished dimension of the piece is. If it just has to fit into an opening in the wall that is 18*24", you have no choice but to reduce the visible part of the design by the entire width of the border cames. The visible part ends at the inside leaf of the border came, but the glass actually ends at the heart. : If the panel is just going to hang free somewhere, you can just add the border came onto the size of the design and it will get larger by the amount of the thickness of the heart, about a 32nd to a 16th of an inch plus the width of the outside leaf of the came. (If using a 1/2" came the overall panel would get larger by about 5/16 to 3/8".) : Got it? : GAryD

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