Posted by Vic on October 19, 2002 at 13:42:26:
In Reply to: Re: starting to build a window/to hang not install posted by jo on October 16, 2002 at 21:21:25:
: : Hi JO,
: : I have to get some basic info here.
: : First, from your question I can't tell if this is a description of a technique that you have tried before and had difficulties or just something you are going to try for the first time. If you have had difficulties let me know what the symptoms of the problem are.
: : Second, the description of how you are dealing with the border cames is unclear. First you need to decide what size came you are using around the panel. I'd recommend either a 3/8" or 1/2" came. Next, on your cartoon (layout drawing) you need to show this came. You need a line that represents the size of the entire panel to the outer edge of the border cames, another line that represents the heart of the border cames and although not required, I always add a line to represent the inside edge of the border cames. This is the edge of the visible glass. Any design that happens beyond this point is unseen. Helps make sure that things like the tips of leaves aren't cut off by accident.
: : I notice that you say the panel is to hang. If you plan to hang the panel it will need some type of frame that is stronger than the outside lead to hang from, preferably a wooden frame. Alternately, you could use a 1/2" brass came instead of a lead border came and hang the panel from it, but I'd still feel better with it in wood.
: : Gary D
: Explain what the heart of the border came is? What I'm seeing in this feeble little head of mine is that when I go and lay the cartoon out, I can also lay a piece of came so that it just touches the border of the pattern, but that I would extend my lines to the outside edge of the came...So, if I want to make a 18 x 24 piece, then it would actually meansure maybe 18 3/8 lets say, because I've measured over to the outside edge of the came??? People ask, why don't you take classes where you live, and I tell them that I did and that the instructor actually said that he wished he had not started this class because he doesn't feel he has the patience anymore..that's a nice thing to say to a class of people on their third day huh? So really didn't feel his interest was in the people or the class, just the money he would make off of us..so, here I am, in love with a hobby and trying like hel....lo to figure out the starting process, because I would then love to try copper foil..Ok, sorry for that little blast of why I ask some of the questions I do, but there you have it in a nutshell...sorta..Anyway, I hope you can help, because I really want to make that flamingo pattern on page 19 of tropical teasers, the "way cool" flamingo....
: Thanks Gary.
On paper draw the full size you want the window to be. Next, take a 2" piece of the border lead and cut 1" of the top and bottom flange off on one side. The lead should now look like 1/2 H lead and 1/2 U lead. Place the uncut 2" side of the lead on the border line of the drawing and trace the edge by the heart this is the "glass cut" line. If you want you can trace the flange line to give you the "sight size" this is will tell you how much glass is covered by the lead.